#541 Battling the Urząd: Real Stories of Polish Bureaucracy

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Listen, I have a good idea. Why are you talking about a good idea?

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If you say good, good, good, good. Listen, Roy, tell me, do you go to some local

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government in Poland? You have to do some local government?

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Yes, so. I have a lot of companies.

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I tell you, I think that I don't know a person who would say that he would say

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that he would say that. So, I think that's what I'm going to say.

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Today I'm going to get your thoughts on this topic, which is about the law of

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the law in our country, which is in Poland.

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Okay, when I ask people, my students, or in the way, they usually say they're stressed.

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And so very much. Roy, do you stress? Yes, but now... No, because I'm not afraid of these people.

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You're not afraid of these people. Listen, people, you know what? I'm not afraid of them.

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Just... Just... Just...

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Just... Just... Okay, tell me, when did you last time you had some kind of a

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legal issue in Poland? Here.

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Chyba to było dwa lata temu.

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Dwa lata temu, tak? Byłem na urząd biuro,

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bo urząd kłamiesz od kości, robisz od kamienicy, bo ja mam krzmice ze śni.

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Tak, krzmice. Tak. I sprędałam tę kamienicę i urządzę 28 tysiące złotych.

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And ja mówiłam, ale ja nie mam, ja mam sklep alkoholowy i ludzie weź te koszty

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tam. this movie nieważne, bo było dwa ludzi jeden miło, and jeden pies, tak?

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It's like, and zawsze says to pisz twoje opis,

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bo kiedy pisz opis, to like zagadasz się and ja mówię, do widzenia i wracam

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do domu i ja cały czas mam list od urząd and ja pisz,

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gdzie jest umowa, tak?

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Where is the factor? Where is everything?

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And then it's another person. Then it's maybe 10 or 15 people.

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And then they say, oh, it'll be 4,000. Not 28, but 4,000. I'm not sure.

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But I always work and I'm paying my money. I'm not doing anything. It's just my time.

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So I don't have one minute for the exam, and bo nigdi pomoc mi, nigdi.

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I know. I know. I myself I think I'm gonna do it. And I think I know that many

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people who listen to us, have also had a nice experience with the government.

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I don't know why this is, that the urate is so and not normal.

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You said you are a good guy.

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You can buy it. You can say, we can send us a podcast about the truth.

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Maybe we will learn something else.

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If we were to be honest, we are both more. But no way, unfortunately.

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No, yes. That's right. Good. Okay, now a question.

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Do you believe that in Poland can be easily accomplished?

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That means, you just go to the urzę, you say, what problem has you and they

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help you. Is this possible?

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Problem with the urzę, right?

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I have a lot of experience from other countries in Irlandia.

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It's very nice. Good morning, how can I help? And here, it's like...

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The first time, I've been around 200 or more times, because I have a lot of people here, right?

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Kiedy osoba mówi źle dla mnie, dla mnie I don't nie akceptować.

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I zawsze mówi, co myślisz, czy mowy rozmawia ze mną?

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And zawsze, bo chyba Polak, Polką, just zgadza się, co urząd mówi.

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Nie wie, jak jesteś szczęśliwy, nie, silny, tak?

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Rozumiesz? So, when you don't want to tolerate people who want to be less than...

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Yes, it's a very good point.

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I just recently I was told myself, that if someone goes to the office,

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I don't have to mention the name

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of the office, but I think that everyone knows what I'm talking about.

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So, I think that every person who went to the office, and most people who go

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there are people who go there are people who go there are because it is a law,

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so theoretically it is an institution,

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which should know what they do. It's like that they don't know what they do.

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So many times people who go there are people who go there and don't understand,

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these rules, these rules, these rules, they don't understand,

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they often believe to them, what they hear.

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The truth is that they are lying like you were told.

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So, this person lives in a clown. If someone has a little bit of a character,

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a charisma, then he can do it, he can do it.

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And he can do it and he will fight against his own rights. Most people don't.

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He's adaptable. If he says that he has to pay, he has to pay,

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he has to pay, he has to pay, because he has to pay.

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And he has to pay for it, he has to pay for it, he has to pay for it.

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It is, unfortunately, very sad and I really like it. So, theoretically,

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to be a good thing, it's not easy to do that, because you have to fight very well.

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And so, it's important. And also, it's important,

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sometimes, it's 7 years, you have to wait 5 years, depending on the price,

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and you wait for the last moment and it will be, oh, it's mandatory,

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plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, so it can be 1000, and then, after it's like 5000, 1000, you know?

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Because if the government says that at this moment is something,

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and gives a list, it will be and everything will be in the same way.

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But no, it doesn't say anything. And then, boom, you think that you are in the same way.

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Yes, in Poland this period of 5 years means that the government has the right

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to control over 5 years to do the same.

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So in the period of 5 years it can be great, but after 5 years they can call

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our friends So they never ghosted them.

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They don't do it, you can be sure. Okay, tell me, the urinary,

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the urinary, they are familiar with the bureaucratic.

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And, tell me, the same thing is to be a solution for the urinary,

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documents, and some other things, it is bureaucratic, because you have to go

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to, you have to talk to someone, she says she says, you have to have some documents,

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documents, and even just documents.

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It is a great bureaucratic, And tell me, if this bureaucracy,

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at least here in Poland, because you have experience, is it complicated or is it easy?

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Now it's a little better, but

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I remember, because before, when you have a company, there is a picture.

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But I remember one time, I don't remember, but I have my passport.

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But it doesn't matter, it has to be a paycheck. Because when I have a passport, I have a paycheck.

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Well, it's all right. I can go to the bureau and make a paycheck from the uniform. It will be fine.

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What sometimes people in the office don't think.

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Very often they don't think. Okay.

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Tell me, in this case, when you were in the office,

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when you were in the office, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea,

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or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be

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a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea,

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or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea,

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or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be

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a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea,

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or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be,

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or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea,

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or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be a good idea, or you had to be

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a good If someone has a problem, he will not have a problem,

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but he will just help him.

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No, he doesn't have a problem. And if you had a feeling that he doesn't have a problem,

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Yes.

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I remember, I remember, I remember, I sometimes I go to informatics and say,

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okay, bureau 204, okay, but it's not our, it's bureau,

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I'm there all the time, nobody wants to help, nobody wants to work, it's all.

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Yes, even there are a lot of memes about working in the office. Okay.

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Okay. Tell me in a moment, how did you have a company in this company that was

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a company, who was a nice and normal person?

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Yes, about five percent. No, I'm not a lot of people.

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No, it was definitely, because I've been doing a lot of things for me.

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And a person says, I know, it's not good, but it's not my department.

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But I understand, it was very nice. You want a little help?

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There are a lot of people who help.

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But normal people are like, A, this is my... Do you know.

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So, generally, it's hard to meet such a person.

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Well, maybe we'll have fun.

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Now I would like to ask you... Because now, we know, we're in the digitalization,

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computer, internet, etc.

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And now, very much of the business can be done online.

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You can send documents, you can even write them online.

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And they are so important. And you can also get a decision online. It's not like you can't.

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And it's all like a cyfry... It's just a cyfry... It's just a cyfry...

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It's just a cyfry... No, dobra.

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And tell me, if this cyfry is a... It's a cyfry... It's a urzęd...

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It's a fact that it's a good... It's a frustrate... It's a...

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And it's a fact that it's a communication. How do you think it's a...

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Everything I think is better for us.

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We can't go to the UR, we can do everything online. But it's a form of digital ID.

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And UR has everything.

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And then, we can do something in a form of an individual.

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So I'm here too, in Ireland. But when I do a podcast on Awakening,

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on digital ID, I think, oh,

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I'm here, I have a digital lady in Ireland too, because when you have your money,

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I have a situation where you have your money.

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Maybe wrong, but you never return.

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You can do a lot of times, you have your money from my account and you never return those money.

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One time I have a few hours from bureau to bureau and I'm like,

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oh, it's my, so everything but I have good information very good.

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Because I was here in a few countries I was in the court and I looked at everything,

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is wrong everything is wrong why?

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Why can I? I read 20 books on this topic from common law I don't know in the

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Polish sovereignty And when you say, look at the government's list,

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and there's no one called it.

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It's always PAN and it's always all capitals, right?

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Yes, yes. It's corporate entity. And when you say,

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I can't do anything.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no. Przepraszam bardzo.

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Dobrze, a powiedz mi, już tak na koniec, czy masz jakiś pomysł,

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jak ulepszyć taki system tych urzędów? Co byś zrobił?

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Powiedzmy, że musimy wymyślić, no, no, idealny urząd dla takich ludzi jak ty,

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jak ja, jak nasi słuchacze, którzy muszą

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iść tam i niestety załatwiać te wszystkie sprawy to co by można było ulepszyć

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w tym urzędzie żeby taki człowiek czuł się faktycznie dobrze i fajnie i żeby

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załatwienie takich spraw to nie był koszmar tylko normalna sprawa,

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There are several countries, where everything is fine.

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Estonia has a good system. And also, when the government is not saying that

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you are talking about it, people who are talking about it know that they are

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working for the government.

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What better is that people who are not talking about it work and they are talking about something.

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Like... You should have to listen to the truth.

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No, exactly. And, for example, you have to give a lot of income,

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but if you look at our streets, there are a lot of doors, right?

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And everything is not good.

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So, for me, it's important to know how your page is.

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And it's a very important information. And I think you will probably understand

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everything. But you are living soul, right?

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Ty jesteś osoba naturalna, a kiedy pisz, to jest corporate entity, bo it's all capital.

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And kiedy wie to, ożon nie może nic, bo kiedy jesteś na ożon,

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zawsze daj papier, pisz to, pisz to. Nigdy, nigdy pisz.

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Nigdy. No, bo, dlatego ty mówisz, o, musisz, musisz daj podatek,

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bo pisz, pisz informacje.

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So, ludzi, kto nie kłamieš, bo, In a lot of countries, 10% work for the government,

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the government, it's a lot, 1 out of 10, it's a lot.

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I think that maybe 1% is not 10%. Mhm.

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No, tak. No, sprawa z urzędami jest bardzo skomplikowana, jak same urzędy,

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bo one są skomplikowane i nawet podcast o nich jest dosyć skomplikowany.

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I myślę, że mógłby trwać i trwać, bo to jest temat niekończący się.

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Właśnie też po polsku się mówi temat rzeka.

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Temat rzeka, to znaczy temat, który może być omawiany cały czas i nigdy się

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nie kończy, bo jest tyle do powiedzenia.

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This is also the topic of the river, so yes, but we unfortunately have to end

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with the topic of the river, so yes, well, thank you very much,

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Roy, thank you all for your attention, as always, and see you soon.

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